Twinzer Design/Experiment.

jonbiz

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So as to save myself bleeding from my eyes looking at a screen while searching google images … does someone have a birds eye view of a standard twin placement as opposed to twinzer placement on similar or same model of any type of board ?
ive a thick skull and seeing really helps me understand such things
The placement is completely different.
Unfortunately you can’t make a twin a twinzer. Placement can range from 6 inches to 9 inches from tail. Depending on who is shaping and the board design. Wil’s placement and bottoms are magic. The best current shapers are riding them. Good podcast of Stu K on quiver cast talking about them.
Twinzer had that extra hold and squirt on your back hand a twin will slide or stall out.
 

DJR

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The placement is completely different.
Unfortunately you can’t make a twin a twinzer. Placement can range from 6 inches to 9 inches from tail. Depending on who is shaping and the board design. Wil’s placement and bottoms are magic. The best current shapers are riding them. Good podcast of Stu K on quiver cast talking about them.
Twinzer had that extra hold and squirt on your back hand a twin will slide or stall out.
its Amazing how much different even twins with a trailer are in the looseness and casually stable category Even though I do enjoy both rides the twinzer is heads and shoulders as a go to

i guess I would just like to see say my Blue Hawaii placed right beside an animal of the same size and dimensions but with straight twin placement. I get it I find it fascinating that Wil Jobson’s brain was able to rearrange a time tested design. Seems to me that if the design had been a decade earlier then the thruster would’ve been today what we call an alternative board design
 
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shapewright

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Going to post all info and ideas about Twinzers, current shapers that are doing them properly.

#1 Wil Jobson the master and guru of the design. He had a formula on his fin placement them only Rusty and Blue Hawaii paid him. I’ve reach out to Rusty and nothing
I’ve been searching for Will for years and no luck, last I heard was trailer park in Arizona not doing well.
# Dane Parlee worked with Wil and is about as close as you can get.
# Ward Coffey
# Joey Thomas
#Vince Brogilo glassed Wil board
# Rob Goin
#Pearson Arrow.
#David Vernor
#Manny Caro worked with Wil as well.
I’m probably missing some Santa Cruz guys but all of these guys worked with Wil at some point.

Down south
#Tim Stamps
#Mabile
#Barry Synder
#Stu Kenson

East Coast
# Brian Wynn
# Mike Daniels

Hawaii
# Minami


Probably more but not sure.
Twinzers are amazing and frustrating at the same time. Fin placement is very important for the design to function correctly. Reason for experimenting. Wil had it figured out.
It helps to know if your a front foot or rear footed surfer, this will help with placement.
Standard placement is 8 to 8.5 inches from tail. 4 to 6 degrees of cant on mains around 1-3/8 from rail.
Ive moved mine back to around 7 inches and really enjoy the extra drive and hold
Canards are the hardest to figure out. 1 inch to 1-1/4 inch gap. Can’t is from 6 to 9 degrees
Overlap is all over the place, I’ve been trying less overlap, 1/4 inch is a good place to start.

For Fins FCS are great so you can make your own and move them back or forth, can make a dud board fire. This will require you to Mack your own fins.

When done correctly you get speed of a twin, turns like a thruster without that anchor.

Ill go and look over all my notes and add some more info
@hankster is another Twinzer guy and knows what works.

Feel free to add anything relevant to conversation.
Will lived for years at the Channin factory with his son.
I used his shaping room in the mornings before him, there on the wall was his formula, one of those multiply by .46357.
I thought Will had passed some time back
 

jonbiz

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Will lived for years at the Channin factory with his son.
I used his shaping room in the mornings before him, there on the wall was his formula, one of those multiply by .46357.
I thought Will had passed some time back
That’s awesome. Just need the rest of the formula. Wil is possibly up in Washington. Got a tip and hopeful it will lead to a interview on a podcast.
 

Bigyummm

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Great info @shapewright ! Thanks. There is another east coast guy in RI Dave Levy (Levy Surf Design) who has been shaping a bunch of twinzers. I haven't surfed any yet but figured I'd throw his name into the short east coast list for those interested.
 

DJR

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Being as it’s flaaaat here in the Cacklack
Ive been graced this from the ever gracious @JMJackFish
Deliciousness indeed
Quiver almost done…
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