Stoker V8 (Fowler make) vs Stubb Vector

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  1. DJR

    DJR Active Member

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    anyone have a comparison
    Trying to sort out somethings without having to buy everything in sight!
    How do the 2 compare?
    Are they actually even in the same category?
     
  2. Bruce Fowler

    Bruce Fowler Well-Known Member

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    My V8 is an homage to the old Aussie V Bottoms but refined for the modern era. A Stubb Vector compares more to the V Machines. The SV would come closer to the SVM's Anderson makes than to mine. I have evolved mine and refer to them as "New Machines". My design has moved on from the others.

    Apple to Oranges.
     
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  3. Veterano

    Veterano Well-Known Member

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    LOL. TOTALLY different design, ride, use.
     
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  4. DJR

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    Thanks for clarification Bruce
    That’s exactly what I was wondering about
    On point
     
  5. DJR

    DJR Active Member

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    And equally on point !
     
  6. DJR

    DJR Active Member

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    Apologies also for getting models confused
    Point me to a thread with the New Machine discussed as I would like to know more and thanks again Bruce
     
  7. Bruce Fowler

    Bruce Fowler Well-Known Member

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    Start with the Stoker V Machine Fowler or Anderson......... there's more than what you bargained for in there with a slow one lane bumpy start, then it turns into a super highway...

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    Here's a cut n paste from my Model Descriptions that you might find helpful. Be aware that it is used for sales purposes, but it also legitimately explains some of what I make that are now being discussed on Jambords.
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    If you're reading Jamboards the thread that is titled "Stoker V Machine Fowler or Anderson?" has a post by one of my newest 'uh, disciples (lol) that gives ride reports for his V8 and also the 8'4" Platypus he recently got from me. He absolutely loves them both. And yes, I have built V8's 10 ft plus now.

    Here's the Model Description of both:
    People love both the Platypus (Pig) & V8's.

    Model Descriptions to consider:
    The Platypus Pig has been designed incorporating the widest point well behind center of the surfboard with an apex rocker shifted aft thereby dramatically increasing maneuverability. Originally, Dale Velzy took a surfboard template back in the late 50's and flipped it around backwards, making the tail the nose & vice versa. The result was a very easy to turn surfboard. By expanding upon Velzy's simplistic approach, The Platypus feels like you are cuddled into a cockpit with nothing in front or in back of you. Think turn, and you are already going there! These low resistance vehicles are easy turn machines because the bulk of the board is directly under your feet while the rest of the board seems invisible. They have the ability to launch big airs if that's your thing, but at the end of the day, this is a super fun, fast, easy surfboard to ride. Commonly surfed as a Single or 2+1 fin configuration, but that doesn't disqualify it from a 4+1 option that allows you to experiment further.

    The V8 V Bottom is an homage to yesteryear's design that hailed from Australia circa 1967-68. The jury is still out as to whether Midget Farrelly or Bob McTavish deserves the lion's share of credit for the design, but as surfboards began to go shorter, Midget was the only competitor to show up with an 8 ft. deep V Bottomed surfboard in the Australia versus Windansea surf contest held in Oz. That board was a stringerless 8 footer around 22" wide that wowed the competition as Midget carved deep rail turns in the soft crumbly surf that day. Nat Young was still riding his favorite board, "Sam," a 9'4' and it wouldn't be until later that McTavish & Nat would be spinning a tale to the "Plastic Fantastic" camera crew citing history that Midget took exception to. Dick Graham's photo of Midget taken at the contest and his account tend to support Farrelly's claim.

    Regardless of the Who, What, When & Where, the "V8 Vee Bottom" is my homage to the short lived early day V Bottoms that were often criticized as "spin out queens" or, even more harshly, the "surfboards that don't work". Yet it was G&S that introduced Midget's design to America, and reportedly sold thousands of them finding that they worked exceptionally well in small soft waves, especially along the Eastern seaboard.

    I have taken the design further, updating it while still remaining true to some of the V Bottoms earlier attributes, and even its perceived flaws. This design has a very deep Panel Vee and wide tail that is foiled to allow the rider to stand in a more forward, closer to center turning position while carving on rail. If the rider desires a looser feel, he/she fudges her foot position back a little at a time at which the board will begin to feel much like a smaller more maneuverable counterpart. The extra long center fin box is positioned well forward allowing the surfboard to set the rail deeper into the water while pivot carving.

    The "V8" is not a longboard. V8 has its own distinct personality but perhaps is a tiny bit similar to a displacement hull. Control comes from turning closer to center. The distance of the trailing edge of the fin to the nose becomes the board's 'wheelbase'. If the rider stands too far back the board will feel squirrley or even release and spin out. I intentionally designed the board to ride this way so that a higher caliber surfer can play with this feature executing powerslides or even controlled spinouts once he/she learns the "sweet spots" of the board.

    "V8's" are wicked fast in small, soft surf. A fun & ideal ride for 1 to 5 foot surf. They can be ordered as a dedicated Single Fin, 2+1 or "4+1" for different riding characteristics. "V8's" have and are being ridden daily all over the world and its cult following is growing among many who already own BF's Plain Jane/V Machines. Open your mind, your ass will follow.
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  8. waveslider619

    waveslider619 Active Member

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    Yes! I could read your posts all day.
     
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  9. DJR

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    This is what the doctor ordered Bruce - thank you thank you
     
  10. DanSan

    DanSan Well-Known Member

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    Fyi

    I have all 3
    V8
    New V machine
    Platypus
    They all rock!!!
    Next mini max..
    Fyi my friend inquired with parmenter....over a 1 .5 yr wait....yowza...
    Bruce is less than a 1.5 month wait..ha
     
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