Bingo. More expensive, less durable, more trash....What the Fuck good is their environmental stance if their product is shit and they don't stand behind it?
Right. I have a 2mm Patagonia that is just fine for our summers, but you really don't rely on it being that water tight.... When the air is in the single digits and the ocean is in the low 30's, it makes a huge difference. I have some older xcel winter suits that still keep me warmer that this patagonia.I love my two 5 year old 3 mil Patagonia suits. The front neck areas are frayed and some of the tape is peeling off here and there, but they're essentially still doing a great job. I can see them holding up for another 5 years. This winter I've added a Hyrdo hood with a sort of bib, and that's been nice in a particularly cold San Francisco winter (low 50s water).
I know it's a different deal having a leaky suit in truly cold water.
Seems like a good time to chime in....
I've had three generations: merino wool, yulex & new yulex. ( I think there are 4 generations?)
I still wear the merino wool version i bought about 10 years ago. A little leaky & stiff, but still very warm. The 1st gen yulex I returned because it felt like i was going to break my nose when peeling the hood off. When on, the movement in the shoulders was substantially more flexible. I only wore about 3-4 times before I gave up & returned. Patagonia confirmed they were cut wrong and sent me a gift card for new suit.
This years "new yulex" is incredible. I've worn about 6 times so far, and its very flexible, very easy to get into & very WARM. I have the R4 model and about two weeks ago surfed in 30knot winds, 36 degree air and I was still warm. Surfed about 2.5 hours.
I like these suits. I don't think I can afford a quiver of them, but for my winter suit, this is it.
Yeah white grid wool lobster gloves. Thought I ruined them this week after a few days in a row with out a rinse but a good soak got rid of the death smell they were giving off.I have a pair of gloves- 4 mil? - black and white inner lining that just won't quit. Going into 4th season which is unheard of for me and gear.