Fantastic acid recommendations?

Bruce Fowler

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hardyw

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Not to hijack the thread but I couldn’t agree more with @hardyw and you—this is a neat program they’re running but Pilgrim really bothers me. The markup on their boards is outrageous, and I can’t help but feel that they value the “supply” side of everything much, much more than the “surf” side. They’re more tolerable than Saturdays, in that regard, but still…

I think it's the combination of a couple things. Williamsburg Brooklyn is its own vibe. Hipster, very expensive, very very liberal etc (this is not meant to be a political statement) so there is a kind of artisan, hipster feel to the whole thing. Like they are selling $300 shirts made of flax seed and shit. It feels very pretentious to me and it definitely doesn't feel like it's truly about surfing and getting people stoked. Just my opinion.

Like when I go there compared to going to Beach House in bayhead is a totally different feel.
 

skazat

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How does that make you feel seeing your influence make its rounds?
 

listentoalienworkshop

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I'm always a bit confused when there's hate on a staple establishment because of their failing to "keep it real." Maybe it's because I've been skateboarding my whole life and have watched this happen with skateshops all over (Supreme or otherwise) but like, you don't need to buy stuff there if you don't want to? Everyone there is reasonably chill, they've got a good community of folks who surf Queens, etc and have been there for long time. They have events, make videos, curate specific boards from all over the world, bring specific shapers into the mix... so like... is it against the law for him to somehow profit as well? Surfboards don't make much money for anyone besides a chosen few, rent isn't cheap in NYC (or anywhere) but like, can't he profit off of others who want to buy that stuff and can't that be separate from whether they are a "valid" place? Maybe not, and you just go to the place that keeps it real. The dogmatic approach to "core" doesn't necessarily keep your favorite storefronts/businesses afloat for very long. My two cents.
 

aporta

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I'm always a bit confused when there's hate on a staple establishment because of their failing to "keep it real." Maybe it's because I've been skateboarding my whole life and have watched this happen with skateshops all over (Supreme or otherwise) but like, you don't need to buy stuff there if you don't want to? Everyone there is reasonably chill, they've got a good community of folks who surf Queens, etc and have been there for long time. They have events, make videos, curate specific boards from all over the world, bring specific shapers into the mix... so like... is it against the law for him to somehow profit as well? Surfboards don't make much money for anyone besides a chosen few, rent isn't cheap in NYC (or anywhere) but like, can't he profit off of others who want to buy that stuff and can't that be separate from whether they are a "valid" place? Maybe not, and you just go to the place that keeps it real. The dogmatic approach to "core" doesn't necessarily keep your favorite storefronts/businesses afloat for very long. My two cents.
Well said. Thanks to my old friend for saying it better than I could .
 

Bruce Fowler

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How does that make you feel seeing your influence make its rounds?
It makes me feel good. Emulation is the sincerest form of flattery. I know of @ least 20 shapers, some of them very accomplished, known name guys that own one of my boards. Being a "shaper's shaper" is a huge nod to me & extremely gratifying, as is the large numbers of repeat clients & quiver builders I enjoy.

I have worked hard & smart for decades shaping my 1st freebie fly-off the-car board at age 8 and 2023 marks
my 63rd year since starting the dance.

Bottom line: I'm addicted.
BF SHAPING SCENE.jpg
 

jettyjawn

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I'm always a bit confused when there's hate on a staple establishment because of their failing to "keep it real." Maybe it's because I've been skateboarding my whole life and have watched this happen with skateshops all over (Supreme or otherwise) but like, you don't need to buy stuff there if you don't want to? Everyone there is reasonably chill, they've got a good community of folks who surf Queens, etc and have been there for long time. They have events, make videos, curate specific boards from all over the world, bring specific shapers into the mix... so like... is it against the law for him to somehow profit as well? Surfboards don't make much money for anyone besides a chosen few, rent isn't cheap in NYC (or anywhere) but like, can't he profit off of others who want to buy that stuff and can't that be separate from whether they are a "valid" place? Maybe not, and you just go to the place that keeps it real. The dogmatic approach to "core" doesn't necessarily keep your favorite storefronts/businesses afloat for very long. My two cents.
My first job when I moved to New York was at Pilgrim and it
I'm always a bit confused when there's hate on a staple establishment because of their failing to "keep it real." Maybe it's because I've been skateboarding my whole life and have watched this happen with skateshops all over (Supreme or otherwise) but like, you don't need to buy stuff there if you don't want to? Everyone there is reasonably chill, they've got a good community of folks who surf Queens, etc and have been there for long time. They have events, make videos, curate specific boards from all over the world, bring specific shapers into the mix... so like... is it against the law for him to somehow profit as well? Surfboards don't make much money for anyone besides a chosen few, rent isn't cheap in NYC (or anywhere) but like, can't he profit off of others who want to buy that stuff and can't that be separate from whether they are a "valid" place? Maybe not, and you just go to the place that keeps it real. The dogmatic approach to "core" doesn't necessarily keep your favorite storefronts/businesses afloat for very long. My two cents.
My first job when I moved to New York was at Pilgrim and I loved working there. Pay wasn’t great but better than your average retail job in NYC. Chris has excellent taste in boards and clothes and it’s not his intention to sell stuff for cheap. Their whole program is based on bringing stuff in that’s well made and hard to get therefore higher price points. Even with my employee discount I still couldn’t afford most of the stuff but I could still appreciate it. But yea their bread and butter is not in board sales, and also they aren’t jacking their prices up like some are saying. I know this because as an employee you can buy boards at “cost” and that was only 15% off retail. Working there did make me hate Williamsburg and all its inhabitants though. Everyone who works there and friends of the shop were all super cool people. Much love to Pilgrim!
 




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