I'll bring it when the 1st street contests are all over. Let you put it under your feet and we can talk. Not going to sugar coat it. Don't want to sell and the thought of another Phillips (ka Poe) would ease the pain. Don't want to hi jack Steve's thread but either way it's more conversation on his listing. Hope it finds a good home. Side note I'm getting a 12' to see what size ka Poe I want to order.